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Second Century impression - scott - 07-24-2008
Does anybody have any images or pics of any second century impressions? I'm putting my own together and would welcome any suggestions or advice any of you learned gentlemen (and ladies!) could give.
Thanks in advance.
Re: Second Century impression - Decius - 07-24-2008
the guys from leg III italica do also very good second (and early 3rd) century impressions
http://www.legion-regensburg.de/
flavius promotus from RAT here is your man.
Re: Second Century impression - John Conyard - 07-24-2008
Some chaps from York based on the Roman bath house also want to portray the early 2nd century. I spent a happy evening with them pointing at Bishop and Coulston and waving bits of kit at them.
They can only be a hour from you.
Re: Second Century impression - Gaius Julius Caesar - 07-24-2008
I am working on a later second century kit!
Re: Second Century impression - John Conyard - 07-24-2008
And you are a northerner too!
Aren't you somewhere in the north sea.
I haven't forgotten about you trying out a Comitatus saddle at Arbeia!
On a less wine fuelled note, I suspect the 2nd century is more challenging than other periods. But it is as achievable as other periods and every bit as much as fun.
Back to bottles of red.
Re: Second Century impression - Magnus - 07-24-2008
We do early 2nd century...105 AD. (website will be up shortly). Our basic differences are the use of greaves, shorter apron straps on the belts, manica and cross braced helmets. Other than that we're pretty much the same as mid - late 1st century.
Here are a few shots:
Re: Second Century impression - Peroni - 07-24-2008
In particular, Military belts, shoes and helmets are the real telltale pieces of equipment for 2nd Century.
What part of the 2nd Century are you looking at portraying Scott?
Re: Second Century impression - FlaviusCrispus - 07-24-2008
Legio VI Victrix (CA) portrays a Roman Legion during the reign of Hadrian (AD 117-138). Here's a link to the photo page of one of our recent events:
http://www.legionsix.org/Fort%20Mac%202007.htm
The main differences between the kit worn by most of our soldiers from the one worn by most first-century groups are:
--Use of the Newstead cuirass (we believe this was introduced in the AD 120s).
--Use of cross-braced helmets (came into use during the Dacian Wars)
--Use of greaves and manicae by line infantry.
--Belt plates display openwork designs, often with "neo-Celtic" motifs.
--Enclosed shoes (calcei) replace the open caligae.
--Tunics start to show sleeves of varying length and colored strips or clavei.
--Pteruges start to be worn with the lorica segmentata.
Not everyone's kit shows all of these features-- since this is an age of transition, older pieces of gear (like the Corbridge cuirass and helmets without cross-bracing) are still in use, and are only slowly being replaced by the newer stuff.
More information can be found on our Equipment pages:
http://www.legionsix.org/equipment.htm
Re: Second Century impression - Magnus - 07-25-2008
Doh! Yeah, thanks for that list Dave...some of my guys use clavii on their tunica as well (including me)...some go solid. Kind of a transition between the two style changes, so we have both.
Re: Second Century impression - Peroni - 07-25-2008
Not only openwork plates, but also coloured enamel plates as well. Much smaller generally than the 1stC examples.
Here's some nice examples from Caerleon..
![[Image: DSCF2655.jpg]](http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b242/peronis/DSCF2655.jpg)
![[Image: DSCF2656.jpg]](http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b242/peronis/DSCF2656.jpg)
Re: Second Century impression - Gaius Julius Caesar - 07-25-2008
Quote:And you are a northerner too!
Aren't you somewhere in the north sea.
I haven't forgotten about you trying out a Comitatus saddle at Arbeia!
On a less wine fuelled note, I suspect the 2nd century is more challenging than other periods. But it is as achievable as other periods and every bit as much as fun.
Back to bottles of red.
I have it in a mental note.....
Re: Second Century impression - Tarbicus - 07-25-2008
Dacian Wars (early 2nd-C) legionary as seen in RME2:
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i311/ ... _small.jpg
Re: Second Century impression - Robert - 07-25-2008
Salve Tarbicvs!
That should scare the daylights out of any barbarian! :lol: Good impression, though. The apron is still somewhat on the long side, is it not?
Any others of around 110?? The pugio was still around, it would seem, I saw a really nice one in the Valkhof museum, rather plain sheath with plates on both sides and slender blade. An almost identical one to the Nijmegen find was found in Spain, but after all, that was were the Hispanis Legio was from. They relieved the Vexillatio Britannica, which in turn took over from the Legio X Gemina in 104.
2nd Century impression - scott - 07-25-2008
Hello all,
Firstly many thanks to all for your advice, guidance and comments.
Peroni: the honest answer is i'm not too sure at the moment. I have a set of Newstead lorica that i'd like to build my impression around, so really i'm open to suggestion.
Magnus and Tarbicus: great pictures, many thanks.
Flavius Crispus: Great pointers, thanks.
Once again, many thanks to all.
Scott Goring
Re: Second Century impression - Crispvs - 07-25-2008
Scott,
If you have a set of Newstead type segmentata I would suggest that you should consider the mid to late second century AD, as the Newstead cuirass may not have entered service until the 130s. For this sort of impression you might consider a Hebron or Theilenhofer type helmet (mid century) or Niedermoemter type helmet (late second). For the mid second century I would suggest a belt with openwork or enamelled plates (but be careful here - the plates in Peronis' photo look Flavian or Trajanic to me) and possibly a ring pommell sword. For the latter part of the century I would suggest a wide sword baldric and FELIX VTERE belt plates along with a spatha such as can be seen in the Lyon burial. Your subarmalis could have pteryges for either end of my suggested period and you could brobably get away with the Vindolanda Fell boots for footwear for both as well. I would also consider a long sleeved tunic, particularly towards the end of the century and probably femenalia as well.
For the later impression, a picture of the Lyon equipment can be found here, about halfway down the page:
http://www.romanarmy.com/rat/viewtopic.php?t=16500
Crispvs