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Re: Aitor Alert! Manuballista found! - Tarbicus - 04-07-2007
Said with pride, quite rightly
Re: Aitor Alert! Manuballista found! - D B Campbell - 04-07-2007
Quote:Wie solche Waffen gespannt und abgefeuert werden, ist in der Anfangssequenz des Films »Gladiator« zu sehen. Zwar sind die dort gezeigten Geräte erheblich größer als der Xantener Fund, funktionieren aber im Prinzip auf die gleiche Art.Really? :? Maybe my memory is faulty, but isn't it onagers that we see at the beginning of Gladiator?
Re: Aitor Alert! Manuballista found! - Roy - 04-07-2007
Quote:Quote:Wie solche Waffen gespannt und abgefeuert werden, ist in der Anfangssequenz des Films »Gladiator« zu sehen. Zwar sind die dort gezeigten Geräte erheblich größer als der Xantener Fund, funktionieren aber im Prinzip auf die gleiche Art.Really? :? Maybe my memory is faulty, but isn't it onagers that we see at the beginning of Gladiator?
There're onagers and ballistae/scorpiones.
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Re: Aitor Alert! Manuballista found! - D B Campbell - 04-07-2007
Quote:There're onagers and ballistae/scorpiones.Aha! Thanks, Roy. I stand corrected. :oops:
Re: Aitor Alert! Manuballista found! - Robert Vermaat - 04-07-2007
Nice image of an onager at Amida (?) by Angus McBride.. Does anybody know the book where this one is from? Judging by the helmets, it may be an older title.
![[Image: onagereinsatz.JPG]](http://www.archaeologie-krefeld.de/Bilder/Geschichte/roemisch/onagereinsatz.JPG)
Re: Aitor Alert! Manuballista found! - Spiridonov Alexander - 04-07-2007
Quote:Nice image of an onager at Amida
I do not think so. I like the interpretation of Ildar Kayumov anymore...
Re: Aitor Alert! Manuballista found! - Martin Moser - 04-08-2007
Quote:Thought you might like to see this photo:
From this Krefeld site:
http://www.archaeologie-krefeld.de/leis ... hichte.htm
![[Image: torsionswaffe.jpg]](http://www.archaeologie-krefeld.de/Bilder/Geschichte/roemisch/torsionswaffe.jpg)
Thanks for showing that, Jim. First time I see this picture - FWIW, it is our centurio Alexander Zimmermann with the reconstruction he was commissioned to do for Xanten 3 years or so ago, based upon the x-rays etc. also shown in the article linked from that site.
Re: Aitor Alert! Manuballista found! - Robert Vermaat - 04-08-2007
Quote:Vortigern Studies:21m0vwal Wrote:Nice image of an onager at Amida
I do not think so. I like the interpretation of Ildar Kayumov anymore...
Which is what?
Re: Aitor Alert! Manuballista found! - D B Campbell - 04-08-2007
Quote:Nice image of an onager at Amida (?) by Angus McBride.. Does anybody know the book where this one is from?It appeared with an article by Paul Holder in Military Illustrated no. 4 (1986/87).
(As you probably know, the onager depicted follows Payne-Gallwey's design.)
Re: Aitor Alert! Manuballista found! - Robert Vermaat - 04-08-2007
Thanks DB!
Re: Aitor Alert! Manuballista found! - D B Campbell - 04-10-2007
Quote:I like the interpretation of Ildar Kayumov anymore...Does anyone know if Ildar has published his ideas yet?
Re: Aitor Alert! Manuballista found! - Spiridonov Alexander - 04-11-2007
Quote:Spiridonov Alexander:3bgvqs11 Wrote:I like the interpretation of Ildar Kayumov anymore...Does anyone know if Ildar has published his ideas yet?
what ideas? About onager? Better to ask it at Ildar.
Re: Aitor Alert! Manuballista found! - D B Campbell - 04-11-2007
Quote:I like the interpretation of Ildar Kayumov anymore...
Just found Ildar's web site, where he depicts the Payne-Gallwey design, too!
Re: Aitor Alert! Manuballista found! - Eleatic Guest - 04-12-2007
Quote:BTW Milites-bedenses have a very serious online test on arrows vs. Roman chain/mail and the lorica segmentata, which was also published in the latest edition of 'Antike Welt', and which IMHO far outstrips most of the tests done so far in terms of scientific test conditions applied. The only thing I found puzzling was their conclusion, which I put to discussion in the forum here: http://www.romanarmy.com/rat/viewtopic.php?t=8167
I contacted the group and they are planning another test for this April or May. Stay in touch.
Re: Aitor Alert! Manuballista found! - Spiridonov Alexander - 04-12-2007
Quote:Spiridonov Alexander:3ad4frhq Wrote:I like the interpretation of Ildar Kayumov anymore...
Just found Ildar's web site, where he depicts the Payne-Gallwey design, too!
It means nothing. Tha article is very old. In do not correspond
to our ideas. Sorry for my English
