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Re: Greek Helmet Crests - Giannis K. Hoplite - 09-23-2007
You may be right,Paul.However, even some very early crude corinthians were made of two pieces but the custom did not continue.Here i found some photos of corinthians with ridges and a negau that seems to has the same design to some extend.I find that the original purpose was to protect the joint(even if not seen in other early greek helmets) but this vast continuation into classical times,and the fact that the ridges seem to follow exactly the shape of the crest,makes me believe it had some function concerning the crest,too.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o118 ... b468_o.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o118 ... 20cb_o.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o118 ... c536_o.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o118 ... uryBCE.jpg
Khairete
Giannis
Re: Greek Helmet Crests - Virilis - 09-23-2007
Wow Giannis
hock: ! Great collection of helmets!
Re: Greek Helmet Crests - Giannis K. Hoplite - 09-23-2007
The big collections are from Olympia.
Re: Greek Helmet Crests - Gaius Julius Caesar - 09-23-2007
Yes, guy's, I would not rule out the dual purpose of these ridges....we greeks are quite clever you know!!!!
:wink:
Re: Greek Helmet Crests - john m roberts - 09-23-2007
Brooms have stitching or lacing to keep the bristles flat and straight. Might the dots be the knots in a stiffening lace?
Re: Greek Helmet Crests - Giannis K. Hoplite - 09-23-2007
Right,nice idea,never thought of that.But unfortunately they look like dots and rivets than anything else.
look at this one that Paul M attached in one message
http://www.romanarmy.com/rat/viewtopic. ... &start=120
Helmet Crests - Paullus Scipio - 09-23-2007
Obviously, one can't rule out a 'dual function', but you can see from Giannis' wonderful photos, that the ridges are thick,low, and quite far apart. Unless you postulate very wide/thick crests, the ridges are really too far apart to serve the function of supporting the crest-box - and surely you would make the ridges taller if they were to be of any practical use in supporting a crest-box ?
Incidently, it is apparent that Giannis and others have some truly wonderful photos of helmets etc not generally published.I would love it
idea: 
like the Roman helmet typology in the Roman section, as a reference that would benefit all in years to come.If anyone with good photos of gear/helmets etc were willing to have them copied, I am sure the moderators etc could set up such an archive. As well as helmets it could cover red-figure and other pottery depictions......
Re: Greek Helmet Crests - Giannis K. Hoplite - 09-23-2007
It's a good idea.Though I don't know how practical it would be,unless we present only one or two typical examples of each helmet.
I have many photos of helmets mostly I found searching the net for years,and few I took myself.
Re: Greek Helmet Crests - Paullus Scipio - 09-23-2007
Quote:It's a good idea.Though I don't know how practical it would be,unless we present only one or two typical examples of each helmet.
I have many photos of helmets mostly I found searching the net for years,and few I took myself.
.....there you go !! Would it not be a wonderful thing if the fruits of years of work could be shared ? That way, others would not have to "re-invent the wheel", and the work of you and others could be a strong foundation on which to build a Greek Hopla database - would we include Hellenistic, and greek enemies such as the Persians ? I think we should !
...and no I would not want to see a mere one or two of each type - that has already been done by Snodgrass, Connolly and others. Instead, I would like to see as many as we could get, in all their wonderful variety ( since no two are identical ). Maybe something like Dan Diffendale's Italic helmet database......
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Re: Greek Helmet Crests - Giannis K. Hoplite - 09-23-2007
Yes,but how can it be done within the borders of RAT?
Dan's site is terrific.I dare say though that the existing photos are hundrets...
Greek Hopla database - Paullus Scipio - 09-24-2007
....let's put the idea to Jasper...he'll be able to tell us if the site can handle it, and how it could be done......will you P.M him or shall I ??
Re: Greek Helmet Crests - Dan Diffendale - 09-24-2007
Quote:I think next year I will visit the NY Museum, its an hour from my family house....will try to take many pictures & anles of these cretans helms & toraxes etc...I visited at the beginning of the summer, I've just been too busy to do anything with them yet...
Re: Greek Hopla database - Giannis K. Hoplite - 09-24-2007
Quote:....let's put the idea to Jasper...he'll be able to tell us if the site can handle it, and how it could be done......will you P.M him or shall I ??
Your idea,Paul,If you haven't done it yet,do it. :wink:
Re: Greek Helmet Crests - Giannis K. Hoplite - 09-24-2007
Mystery... http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/im ... 92.07.0280
And still the best explanation is that of John M Roberts, but at least some painters would have depicted short lines or something similar,while all of thwm isnist in dots,and some go even further,depicting little circles.
greek helmet crests - Paullus Scipio - 09-24-2007
.......could the 'dots', sometimes short 'lines' sometimes 'circles' all be different renderings of a thread, woven in and out of the horsehair, to hold it together and stop'tufts' flopping, giving unsightly gaps in the crest? :?